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Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 08:54:46 -0600
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian@hursley.ibm.com>
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Dan,

You received a response to your complaint from the Internet Area Directors 
on January 26, and on January 27 you sent a repeat of your complaint to
the IESG as a whole. Since you have not yet received a response from the
IESG Chair to that complaint, it is premature to contact the IAB. We will
not consider an appeal from you until the IESG has responded, if you 
find that response unsatisfactory. This is in accordance with the
procedure described in BCP 9, section 6.5, especially 6.5.1.

I should point out that the IESG is always overloaded with its regular
work, and responses to appeals generally take one to two months to
prepare, rather than a few days as you seem to expect.

Regards

   Brian Carpenter
   IAB Chair

"D. J. Bernstein" wrote:
> 
> This is a complaint to the IAB about the management of the namedroppers
> mailing list. I will wait a few days for a response.
> 
> In short, to use the language of RFC 2026 section 6.5.1: Mismanagement
> of the namedroppers mailing list is preventing the IETF DNSEXT working
> group from adequately considering the views of its participants, and is
> placing the quality and integrity of the working group's decisions in
> jeopardy.
> 
> As a concrete example, I would like DNSEXT to update RFC 2181 to
> eliminate a security flaw that I explained on bugtraq; but I have been
> unable to raise this issue on the namedroppers mailing list, because
> Randy Bush has discarded my messages. Please see
> 
>    http://cr.yp.to/dnscache/namedroppers.html
> 
> for details of this incident and several other incidents.
> 
> I am not sure if this complaint is within the letter of RFC 2026 section
> 6.5.1, which seems to focus primarily on previous WG decisions. However,
> the WG chairs and the IESG have told me repeatedly that I'm following
> the correct procedure.
> 
> I have already attempted to resolve these problems with the WG chairs,
> the ADs, and the IESG as a whole. The WG chairs and the ADs are
> attempting to fix two problems:
> 
>    (1) Failure of the software to deliver messages immediately.
>    (2) Failure of Bush to notify authors of his censorship actions.
> 
> However, the other problems remain, and are clearly not going to be
> resolved by the WG chairs or the IESG. So I am sending this complaint to
> the IAB.
> 
> ---Dan